on beliefs and the influences that have shaped them
BBC - Radio 3 - Daily Schedule: "19:20
Belief
Michael Symmons Roberts
Series in which Joan Bakewell talks to guests about their beliefs and the influences that have shaped them. This edition features Michael Symmons Roberts, winner of the 2004 Whitbread Poetry Award."
Google Search: Michael Symmons Roberts
He went to Oxford as an agressive atheist and talks how changing his subject
(at the universuty) from english as a wonna-be writer to philosophy and theology.
And having learned the skills of demolishing arguments he deconstructed his faith in atheism to his childhood religion. (last 2 words my assumption).
Remembering my own late teen insecurity he has my sympathy - he likes to go to church and evidently cannot survive in his community without the weekly dose of the drug of the liturgy and the seasonal rotation.
Oxford University was founded as a production factory for priests, vicars, curates, bishops and ministers with LATIN as an essential for most of the centuries.
So it is hardly surprising he got done over or mugged at http://www.theology.ox.ac.uk/
Google Search: theology oxford
Google Search: site:www.theology.ox.ac.uk philosophy
Theology at Oxford - The Honour School of Philosophy and Theology
The underlying aim of the course is to enable students to understand and assess the intellectual claims of religion, in particular those of Christianity. For this they need a thorough grounding in philosophy and an acquaintance that is more than superficial with Christian theology.
Philosophy involves study of conflicting theories on mind and body, free will, space and time, morality; it helps to provide criteria for assessing arguments and analysing the relations to each other of disciplines such as theology and science.
A basic historical grounding is provided, and the obvious bridge-subject of the Philosophy of Religion is studied. there is the GOTCHA
On the Theology side students will concentrate on those aspects of the subject whose primary component is doctrinal, rather than purely historical.
To ensure a basic grounding all candidates are required to study New Testament Theology (in English) and Christian Doctrine in its contemporary context. and how to make converts
For those whose primary interest is in philosophy the course provides the opportunity to become familiar with the history and current practice of the discipline, and to apply it to questions of fundamental interest and importance. with the assunption that god is
For those whose primary concern is with Christian theology it offers a way of studying the subject that encourages a reflective awareness of the character of the language and the nature of the arguments that are used in the interpretation, criticism and defence of the Christian faith. © University of Oxford
Priest and philosophers , gurus too are essential salesmen
Theology at Oxford - Information for prospective students
Isn't Theology mainly for practising Christians?
At Oxford we study Theology as an academic subject - that is, analytically and critically.
Arguments based solely on assertion or belief rarely prosper: a more solid base is needed. LOL the premises of it all cannot be proved
So although many do bring a lively faith to their studies, many do not: undergraduates come from a wide variety of religious backgrounds and none. the latter better watch out - making conversions is like collecting scalps - or being a Casanova of the souls
Those who come up as committed Christians sometimes fear that studying Theology may destroy their faith, but they usually find that the academic challenges provoke them to think further, and their conviction is deepened.
dangerous bed fellows - I had an affair with a lovely tall well shaped red haired theological student from Copenhagen University - we were greatly attracted to each other but the deep irrationality of her life - teaching confirmation candidates whilst living "normally" with beer and a decent sex life, as students do and should - in moderation of course - ruled her out as a candidate for Mrs Watkins the third -grin - still one eye open for number four - but I am neither rich nor thin enough to attract those I like. so I let things drift - sigh.
Whether you are a Christian or not, the academic nature of the subject will certainly test your ideas, and the diversity of religious backgrounds leads to lively debates both in teaching and learning. yes tested poor old Michael Symmons Roberts's to destruction - well deconstruction.
As an atheist I am the passive type, because I see no point in attempting to destroy other peoples faith. A useful værktøj, a tool, for survival but I can accept not knowing and that there is much that I. or we - the scinetists , philosphers or human race - can never know.
18 to 20 years of age is dangerously young to study philosophy , or theology too, far better when one is 30 + years old and can cope with the BIG (unanswerable) QUESTIONS.
Where do we come from?
and what happens after we are dead?
I see death as an organic recycling as natural as birth, we oldies have to die to make room for all the beautiful young people.
Fundamentalism is not reserved for the noisy part of Islam
Oxford Movement: "A movement to reform the Church of England begun at Oxford University in 1833, the Oxford movement was led by John Keble, John Henry Newman, and Richard Hurrell Froude. All were fellows of Oriel College, Oxford, passionately loyal to the church, and deeply disturbed by the British government's interference in its affairs. In addition, they were influenced by the patristic writings and attracted to the ritual and worship of the early and medieval church.
Newman believed the movement began when, on July 14, 1833, Keble preached on 'National Apostasy,' a sermon prompted by an attempt in Parliament to suppress ten Irish bishoprics. More important was the publication of Tracts for the Times by Newman. The first three were published on Sept. 9, 1833; and the last, Tract 90, which aroused a storm of controversy, in 1841. The tracts aimed at recalling the English to true churchmanship, to an understanding of the church as an organic, independent body, not a creature of the state, and to a sacramental ministry and life. The Tractarians, as they came to be called, envisioned the movement as a middle way between Roman Catholicism and evangelicalism."
Oliver Cromwell was born in Huntingdon, Cambridge. 1616. Cromwell joined Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge University Google Search: oliver cromwell university
and he closed theatres and banned all sorts of sensual stuff.
BBC - History - Stephen Gardiner (c.1483 - 1555): "Gardiner was educated in civil and cannon law at Cambridge University in 1520-21. In 1525 he became secretary to Cardinal Wolsey"
The next few years saw Gardiner flip-flop his position on religion. In a move that curried favour with the King, Gardiner published a treatise that attacked the papacy. Known as the Episcopi de vera obedientia oratio ('Bishop's Speech on True Obedience'), it supported the king's supremacy as leader of the Church of England. Yet four short years later, in 1539, Gardiner sided with the conservatives in their support of Roman Catholicism and led them in their passing of the Six Articles (which some claim he wrote). The Six Articles required Englishmen to uphold the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. Thomas Cromwell's resulting fall from grace was partly attributed to him
The next few years saw Gardiner flip-flop his position on religion. In a move that curried favour with the King, Gardiner published a treatise that attacked the papacy. Known as the Episcopi de vera obedientia oratio ('Bishop's Speech on True Obedience'), it supported the king's supremacy as leader of the Church of England. Yet four short years later, in 1539, Gardiner sided with the conservatives in their support of Roman Catholicism and led them in their passing of the Six Articles (which some claim he wrote). The Six Articles required Englishmen to uphold the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. Thomas Cromwell's resulting fall from grace was partly attributed to him
well this blog has turned into a mental health warning !
TEST THE GURU !!!
ask yourself what does your teacher or mentor want from you in return for your love?
money - 10% of your income - all worldy goods
sex - sex slaves - power over your body - love affairs with professors and lecturers
power - the drug of politicians, millionaires and chieftains
prestige - Casonova's of souls - eaters of the dead?
ARE YOU PREPARED TO PAY THE PRICE?
are you going to commit body and soul?
On the Oxford Movement
Gradually some of its members, including William Ward and Henry Manning, joined the Roman Catholic church. In 1845, Newman was converted and the movement came to a point of crisis.
Converts are unstable or insecure and often highly artistic and might well score highly as "irrational" or "neurotic" in psychometric tests.
I am like that too - do you know yourself?
BTW a high IQ can be a liability
because it grants you the ability to make HUGE mistakes
Eg Bobby Fischer's big mouth is on the news today again
Historically for example Napoleon and Hitler always come to mind as very dangerous charismatic blunderers.
Google Search: "know yourself"
Two famous slogans of which greek god were "Nothing in excess," and "Know yourself"?
The Kabbalah (Part 1 of 3: Its Underlying Ideas): "Over the entrance to the Greek temple at Delphi was written 'Man know thyself and thou shalt know the secrets of the universe.'" not so far from ZEN either
and in the background Radio 3 plays the Matthew Passion
Belief
Michael Symmons Roberts
Series in which Joan Bakewell talks to guests about their beliefs and the influences that have shaped them. This edition features Michael Symmons Roberts, winner of the 2004 Whitbread Poetry Award."
Google Search: Michael Symmons Roberts
He went to Oxford as an agressive atheist and talks how changing his subject
(at the universuty) from english as a wonna-be writer to philosophy and theology.
And having learned the skills of demolishing arguments he deconstructed his faith in atheism to his childhood religion. (last 2 words my assumption).
Remembering my own late teen insecurity he has my sympathy - he likes to go to church and evidently cannot survive in his community without the weekly dose of the drug of the liturgy and the seasonal rotation.
Oxford University was founded as a production factory for priests, vicars, curates, bishops and ministers with LATIN as an essential for most of the centuries.
So it is hardly surprising he got done over or mugged at http://www.theology.ox.ac.uk/
Google Search: theology oxford
Google Search: site:www.theology.ox.ac.uk philosophy
Theology at Oxford - The Honour School of Philosophy and Theology
The underlying aim of the course is to enable students to understand and assess the intellectual claims of religion, in particular those of Christianity. For this they need a thorough grounding in philosophy and an acquaintance that is more than superficial with Christian theology.
Philosophy involves study of conflicting theories on mind and body, free will, space and time, morality; it helps to provide criteria for assessing arguments and analysing the relations to each other of disciplines such as theology and science.
A basic historical grounding is provided, and the obvious bridge-subject of the Philosophy of Religion is studied. there is the GOTCHA
On the Theology side students will concentrate on those aspects of the subject whose primary component is doctrinal, rather than purely historical.
To ensure a basic grounding all candidates are required to study New Testament Theology (in English) and Christian Doctrine in its contemporary context. and how to make converts
For those whose primary interest is in philosophy the course provides the opportunity to become familiar with the history and current practice of the discipline, and to apply it to questions of fundamental interest and importance. with the assunption that god is
For those whose primary concern is with Christian theology it offers a way of studying the subject that encourages a reflective awareness of the character of the language and the nature of the arguments that are used in the interpretation, criticism and defence of the Christian faith. © University of Oxford
Priest and philosophers , gurus too are essential salesmen
Theology at Oxford - Information for prospective students
Isn't Theology mainly for practising Christians?
At Oxford we study Theology as an academic subject - that is, analytically and critically.
Arguments based solely on assertion or belief rarely prosper: a more solid base is needed. LOL the premises of it all cannot be proved
So although many do bring a lively faith to their studies, many do not: undergraduates come from a wide variety of religious backgrounds and none. the latter better watch out - making conversions is like collecting scalps - or being a Casanova of the souls
Those who come up as committed Christians sometimes fear that studying Theology may destroy their faith, but they usually find that the academic challenges provoke them to think further, and their conviction is deepened.
dangerous bed fellows - I had an affair with a lovely tall well shaped red haired theological student from Copenhagen University - we were greatly attracted to each other but the deep irrationality of her life - teaching confirmation candidates whilst living "normally" with beer and a decent sex life, as students do and should - in moderation of course - ruled her out as a candidate for Mrs Watkins the third -grin - still one eye open for number four - but I am neither rich nor thin enough to attract those I like. so I let things drift - sigh.
Whether you are a Christian or not, the academic nature of the subject will certainly test your ideas, and the diversity of religious backgrounds leads to lively debates both in teaching and learning. yes tested poor old Michael Symmons Roberts's to destruction - well deconstruction.
As an atheist I am the passive type, because I see no point in attempting to destroy other peoples faith. A useful værktøj, a tool, for survival but I can accept not knowing and that there is much that I. or we - the scinetists , philosphers or human race - can never know.
18 to 20 years of age is dangerously young to study philosophy , or theology too, far better when one is 30 + years old and can cope with the BIG (unanswerable) QUESTIONS.
Where do we come from?
and what happens after we are dead?
I see death as an organic recycling as natural as birth, we oldies have to die to make room for all the beautiful young people.
Fundamentalism is not reserved for the noisy part of Islam
Oxford Movement: "A movement to reform the Church of England begun at Oxford University in 1833, the Oxford movement was led by John Keble, John Henry Newman, and Richard Hurrell Froude. All were fellows of Oriel College, Oxford, passionately loyal to the church, and deeply disturbed by the British government's interference in its affairs. In addition, they were influenced by the patristic writings and attracted to the ritual and worship of the early and medieval church.
Newman believed the movement began when, on July 14, 1833, Keble preached on 'National Apostasy,' a sermon prompted by an attempt in Parliament to suppress ten Irish bishoprics. More important was the publication of Tracts for the Times by Newman. The first three were published on Sept. 9, 1833; and the last, Tract 90, which aroused a storm of controversy, in 1841. The tracts aimed at recalling the English to true churchmanship, to an understanding of the church as an organic, independent body, not a creature of the state, and to a sacramental ministry and life. The Tractarians, as they came to be called, envisioned the movement as a middle way between Roman Catholicism and evangelicalism."
Oliver Cromwell was born in Huntingdon, Cambridge. 1616. Cromwell joined Sidney Sussex College, Cambridge University Google Search: oliver cromwell university
and he closed theatres and banned all sorts of sensual stuff.
BBC - History - Stephen Gardiner (c.1483 - 1555): "Gardiner was educated in civil and cannon law at Cambridge University in 1520-21. In 1525 he became secretary to Cardinal Wolsey"
The next few years saw Gardiner flip-flop his position on religion. In a move that curried favour with the King, Gardiner published a treatise that attacked the papacy. Known as the Episcopi de vera obedientia oratio ('Bishop's Speech on True Obedience'), it supported the king's supremacy as leader of the Church of England. Yet four short years later, in 1539, Gardiner sided with the conservatives in their support of Roman Catholicism and led them in their passing of the Six Articles (which some claim he wrote). The Six Articles required Englishmen to uphold the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. Thomas Cromwell's resulting fall from grace was partly attributed to him
The next few years saw Gardiner flip-flop his position on religion. In a move that curried favour with the King, Gardiner published a treatise that attacked the papacy. Known as the Episcopi de vera obedientia oratio ('Bishop's Speech on True Obedience'), it supported the king's supremacy as leader of the Church of England. Yet four short years later, in 1539, Gardiner sided with the conservatives in their support of Roman Catholicism and led them in their passing of the Six Articles (which some claim he wrote). The Six Articles required Englishmen to uphold the beliefs of the Roman Catholic Church. Thomas Cromwell's resulting fall from grace was partly attributed to him
well this blog has turned into a mental health warning !
TEST THE GURU !!!
ask yourself what does your teacher or mentor want from you in return for your love?
money - 10% of your income - all worldy goods
sex - sex slaves - power over your body - love affairs with professors and lecturers
power - the drug of politicians, millionaires and chieftains
prestige - Casonova's of souls - eaters of the dead?
ARE YOU PREPARED TO PAY THE PRICE?
are you going to commit body and soul?
On the Oxford Movement
Gradually some of its members, including William Ward and Henry Manning, joined the Roman Catholic church. In 1845, Newman was converted and the movement came to a point of crisis.
Converts are unstable or insecure and often highly artistic and might well score highly as "irrational" or "neurotic" in psychometric tests.
I am like that too - do you know yourself?
BTW a high IQ can be a liability
because it grants you the ability to make HUGE mistakes
Eg Bobby Fischer's big mouth is on the news today again
Historically for example Napoleon and Hitler always come to mind as very dangerous charismatic blunderers.
Google Search: "know yourself"
Two famous slogans of which greek god were "Nothing in excess," and "Know yourself"?
The Kabbalah (Part 1 of 3: Its Underlying Ideas): "Over the entrance to the Greek temple at Delphi was written 'Man know thyself and thou shalt know the secrets of the universe.'" not so far from ZEN either
and in the background Radio 3 plays the Matthew Passion
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